Selection show Sunday

November 30th, 2013
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for those who missed it earlier,

Selection Show Sunday

430 p.m. HST ESPNU

espn3 online: espn.go.com/watchespn/

bracket at NCAA.com.

Wahine fly back Sunday and will watch together somewhere in the SSC.

as for the Big West getting 3 teams .... UCSB gets in. RPI coming intot he week was 58

CSUN was at 38. It could happen.

44 Responses to “Selection show Sunday”

  1. Maverick:

    Mcginn's estimate of rpi has uh at 15 after tonite's match


  2. Cindy Luis:

    no sense worrying about it overnight.
    what happens tomorrow is what matters.


  3. Cindy Luis:

    For those who are interested and not at FB, Channel 8 is showing A Tradition of Honor at 7 p.m. about the AJAs in WWII. Focus is on the nisei, many who joined the 442. Shoji's dad was among them. His parents were in the same interment camp.


  4. Maverick:

    Not worried. Won't be shocked if uh fails to lock up a seed. Davis loss was really bad. Northridge will be in conversation but I predict they will not get an invite. To much major conference bias.


  5. Warriorfan:

    I expect UH will probably be back in California next week, hope Im wrong though.


  6. Volleyball fan:

    Well, we can speculate all we want. Since I watch the match only online it doesn't make that much of a difference for me. Actually the buffering is worse on local matches than in the mainland and I can't explain why even though I live on the Big Island.

    I know it's late and maybe no one will read this. If the Wahine host the first two rounds, the only team I don't want to see is Arizona with Jane Croson in it. For sure Dave Rubio would bring her this time. She would be highly motivated to upset Hawaii since she was suspended here last year for nearly a month. I'd hate to see this happen more than any other loss in the playoffs. Even if Hawaii plays on the road against Arizona I'd be very nervous. That's my only wish, no pair-up with Arizona in the playoffs, either first or second round.


  7. Warriorfan:

    Arizona is the only team You don't want?? Are you kidding, Arizona would be an easy match up, there are far more dangerous teams.


  8. oldtimer808:

    I wouldn't worry about playing Arizona. If anything I would think the Hawaii ladies would be motivated to beat Arizona.


  9. sharene:

    I feel that the one person who sacrificed the most over the Croson debacle was Tai. She sacrificed a year of eligibility for the team and fans so we should be supporting her more. I don't really want to see Croson because she played the victim at the end while there was no remorse or gratitude for what Hawaii did for her.


  10. hollycow:

    6. Volleyball fan. Croson brought the suspension upon herself for her actions off the court. The 4 week suspension is clearly outlined in the NCAA rules for her type of infraction. Oh, by the way I'm not saying, she uprighted the ship and I respect her for that.


  11. LC:

    So what do you guys think about UCSB claiming that they are the Big West Champs in spite of the fact that the Big West is calling it a Tri- Championship?

    CSUN and UH have shown how classy they are by acknowledging all three schools but UCSB seems to think that winning the AQ makes them the sole Big West Champs.

    Check out this
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaYFRVDCAAA7nmK.jpg:large


  12. Tld:

    11- Who cares? Let them celebrate.

    I feel good about Hawaii getting to host this year. Last year you could make a plausible case of a team like Kenticky over Hawaii for a seed. You really can't do that this year.


  13. Grammy:

    They can talk all they like. Let's see them get a win if they can. Would like to see 3 get in but feel like only 2 will make it UH and UCSB. Hope the rest of the conference catches on in scheduling and recruiting, it would make things more interesting and competitive for Wahine (as if this year wasn't enough) Ha! Still think Wahine will rebuild and have solid returnees, recruits and redshirts, so not that worried about rebuilding year. Seven Solid Seniors will be missed but are not done yet so may last into tourney with lucky bracketing. Go Wahine!


  14. Hot:

    9. How did Olevao "sacrifice" a year of eligibility? Nobody comes to a college program wanting to redshirt. It's a mutual decision between coach and player, understanding that it could be beneficial to the program and/or the player. I doubt that Olevao feels bad about playing last year. I bet if you ask most players if they'd like to redshirt or play, they'd choose the latter. I'm not understanding the "sacrifice" part. Any freshman who is not immediately needed is a redshirt POSSIBILITY. They needed Olevao last year, whether it was due to Croson's absence or because they wanted another option on the right in addition to Goodman/Kastl, so she played. End of story.


  15. airinfall:

    11. In typical UCSB fashion, their self-proclamation shows their character. Probably the team with the worst gamesmanship in the conference.


  16. Warriorfan:

    Let the dink queens celebrate they are still gonna get killed in the first round!!!


  17. Makule:

    Agree.


  18. Brandon:

    14. Becayse she was expected to red shirt. She went over half the season not playing and since croson got suspended it forced her to play. She had to come in late. That's how she wasted a year of eligibility.


  19. Brandon:

    Ucsb will be lucky to make it past round one. No way will they pass round 2


  20. OrbitalripZ:

    Re: 1 Glad you used the word "estimate," for it's been pointed out on VTalk several times that all NCAA D-1 sports "have some sort of penalty/bonus calculation they add to the standard calculation which aren't made public," and even John McGinn chimes in that he hasn't yet figured out what these penalty/bonus additions are.

    Thus I repost part of what I said a few days ago: Within minutes after the last match is played on November 30, the NCAA's super computers will have the last regular-season RPI available to the NCAA Volleyball [Selection] Committee.

    To end conspiracy theories, the Committee should release online to the public this last RPI on Saturday. There is no reason for keeping it secret until after Selection Sunday.

    ------------
    ~~ From the Who Cares! Department ~~

    Since the Nov. 25 RPI, in which Hawai'i was #11, the Wahine's non-conf. opponents played 18 matches, resulting in 9 wins and 9 losses. Combined with the fact that the UH played against the Big West's two bottom dwellers, there's little question that the Bows' last RPI of the regular season will drop to "bubble" territory: 13 ~ 16.

    I see two scenarios:

    1 -- Hawai'i will be seeded (and thus host) and the Big West will thus consist of a contingent of 2 teams.

    2 -- A trade-off: We (the Committee) will give you (Big West) 3 teams. In exchange you won't complain about Hawai'i not being seeded. And they (another BCS conference) won't complain that one of their at-large bids went to you, since in lieu of that at-large team they are getting another top 16 seed.

    3 -- I don't see a third scenario, in which Hawai'i is seeded, and the BWC tri-champions all get to go to The Dance. If Walt Disney studios was producing this movie, yes. But you have the Wicked Witch in charge and Na Wahine completely at her mercy.


  21. Not an Expert:

    #19 If your scenario #2 is something that could happen or may had happen before then the selection process is flawed. If this ever is brought to the Big West commissioner this will be the most opportune time for the leagues like the BW to file suit against the NCAA for collusion and discrimination.


  22. Brandon:

    The comittee favors certain conferences. It's obvious that they do, but there is nothing we can do. If hawaii gets seeded great, but if not oh well! We just need to cheer our girls on no matter what


  23. setaone:

    Hasn't the show been earlier in the day in the past? Like around noon HST?


  24. vbfan:

    There is a wahine basketball game this afternoon so hopefully they can interview Shoji at halftime and get his reaction to the brackets.


  25. LC:

    I said this once before. If they don't host they have no one to blame but themselves. If you lose to three BW teams who had crappy RPI's at the time then you pay for it. Suck it up and go do it the hard way.


  26. Warriorfan:

    24. Agreed, horrible losses to Davis and the dink queens of UCSB (at home no less) really cost them.

    I just hope the NCAA does not send UH to UW or USC for first/second rounds. I'd rather face them in the sweet sixteen, so I am hoping for San Diego, , Kansas( a joke if they host), Marquette (complete joke if they host), Duke or Wisconsin.


  27. Brandon:

    25. I rather go to Marquette. It's completely idiotic that they will host just because they scheduled tough opponents out of conference.


  28. Andrew:

    If you really think about it, even though Hawaii of course no doubt deserves a bid, the committee technically doesn't even have to give them one. That would be the ultimate screw over though..


  29. Andrew:

    I think they get sent to USC or Washington for the first two rounds


  30. Cindy Luis:

    23. wahine bkb game at 5 p.m. Selections show at 430, will be done before 5. Doubt if Shoji will still around for halftime to be interviewed. OC Sports might send someone over to watch the selection show with the team.


  31. Cindy Luis:

    22. yes the show has been on earlier. think I remember that it was at 10 a.m. HST at one point.


  32. OrbitalripZ:

    (IMHO) The Brackets will be:

    Nebraska Regional: Seed 1 Texas
    Illinois Regional: Seed 2 Penn St
    Southern California Regional: Seed 3 Washington
    Kentucky Regional: Seed 4 Missouri or Florida

    If Hawai'i is seeded, it will likely fall in the Southern California Regional, thus it will be Seed 14.

    If Hawai'i is not seeded, the Pacific South and Pacific North (which is UH's new region) will have at least 4 seeded teams & thus 4 subregional hosts -- Washington, Stanford, USC, and San Diego. But all 4 will not be in the Southern California Regional bracket.

    If unseeded, hope Hawai'i finds it way to the Kentucky Regional bracket.


  33. Cindy Luis:

    Brandon, Manu-Olevao red-shirted for the first 14 matches of the season. Wahine played 30. so it wasn't over half. Agree, tho, that she would have benefited from a full year, as Vorster did.
    It was her decision to burn the redshirt year at that point.


  34. max13:

    Granted the committee has found a way to screw Hawaii over in the past, I can't see them doing it this time around. I don't think Hawaii will be seeded lower than 13, despite having a RPI projected at around 15. There were too many teams near and around Hawaii in the RPI that lost this past week (Kansas, Wisconsin, Creighton, Duke, Colorado State). These are the only teams (+ San Diego) I see being seeded in favor of Hawaii. Performance towards the end of the season is a criteria the committee uses to evaluate seeds and considering Hawaii went 8-2 its last 10 and avenged 2 of those loses during that span, has a head-to-head win against Creighton, and has beaten the #1 RPI team (a claim none of those teams can make).. I think we're ok.


  35. Cindy Luis:

    11. As the AQ they are the champions and that is how it will be noted when the ncaa sends out the release on teams selected. Besides, it's the media department, not the team, that put that up.


  36. Brandon:

    Ahh I see. all I remember it was almost half the season. Thanks for clearing it up tho Cindy!


  37. max13:

    Forgot to mention only other team I see being seeded in favor of Hawaii is Florida State.


  38. Maverick:

    20. There is one more possibility, a cynical one. Two BWC teams get in, and neither hosts. Northridge stays home.


  39. jake:

    Per VT discussion with an insider, the selection committee uses RPI but now considers the AVCA coaches poll and Pablo...
    i'm feeling good about Hawaii hosting 1/2 now as we count down.....


  40. Cubicle1126:

    jake - as a clarification ... the ncaa's championship manual removed the language that prohibited the use of outside polls and rankings. so the committee is now free to consult with those polls, like avca poll and/or pablo. but it doesn't necessarily mean they will.

    but i agree -- here's hoping that they do, b/c it will bode well for hawaii hosting!


  41. Andrew:

    Some of these seedlings and at large bids are a joke. Illinois is seeded which 14 losses.


  42. Maverick:

    41. clearly a nod to their hosting a regional...bias again


  43. Cindy Luis:

    all three Big West teams in. UH, CSUN, UCSB


  44. Cindy Luis:

    See new thread, was busy with our breaking news.