Hawaii to No. 9 in RPI

October 21st, 2013
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http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/weeklyrpi/2013WVBrpi1.html

1. Texas

2. Penn State

3. Florida

4. USC

5. Creighton

6. Washington

7. Missouri

8. Stanford

9. Hawaii.

10. Kansas

24 Responses to “Hawaii to No. 9 in RPI”

  1. Robin:

    Creighton at #5 at 14-4. Is it because their opponents have great records playing (I'm assuming) not the greatest teams? Good for UH of course.


  2. Maverick:

    Other teams of note:
    17. Arizona
    20. USD
    34. UCLA
    39. Wichita State
    42. Northwestern

    Northridge at #55.


  3. Cubicle1126:

    robin -- creighton has wins over byu, kansas, cal st northridge and wichita st. not any wins over traditional powerhouses. (they've lost to cal, ucla, and of course, hawaii. they also lost to butler in conference play, but avenged that loss this past weekend). creighton has just put together a schedule this year that is really favorable to a high RPI rating.


  4. Maverick:

    1. Exactly. Creighton's opponents have a 244-111 record (.6688). The only teams with better opponents' records are Illinois (.6994) and Texas (.6826). A sample of the teams Creighton has played: BYU (16-3), Kansas (16-4), California (11-6), DePaul (15-4), Hawaii (16-2), UCLA (12-7), Northridge (16-4). Call it lucky or smart scheduling.


  5. Cubicle1126:

    ucla picked up a nice sweep of arizona st (at arizona st) over the weekend, going 1-1 against the arizona schools. so there may be some life in ucla yet (although one of their outsides -- lawless -- i think went down to injury over over the weekend.)


  6. Cindy Luis:

    4. i'd say smart. as Shoji said earlier that the MVC teams knew how to play the (RPI) game. Although Creighton has since moved to the Big East.


  7. Cindy Luis:

    5. IMHO, UCLA is going to have to finish at least at .500 in the Pac-12 to make the tournament. They are 2-6.
    As is ASU, which has lost its last 5.


  8. Cubicle1126:

    maverick and cindy -- absolutely creighton's scheduling was smart. it's balanced with teams from different parts of the region, and against teams that will traditionally have a solid win/loss record.


  9. Maverick:

    6. I disagree because it is impossible to predict how a team is going to perform a year or two into the future. And as you have pointed out, you can only play non-conference opponents who want to play you. I hypothesize that teams try to secure opponents that have good records historically and hope this carries into the future (this doesn't mean the opponents are traditional powerhouses, but could be the dominating team in their respective conferences). More importantly, there is no guarantee of future performance. I am not aware of anyone predicting the success of USD, Missouri, North Carolina or Colorado State, records-wise. I think people generally underestimate the role of serendipity or luck and overestimate human abilities when it comes to the future.

    But this is all fun to debate.


  10. Maverick:

    Perhaps there is a bit of luck and intelligence involved, smart to schedule traditionally good teams, luck that it carries over into the future.


  11. Cubicle1126:

    cindy - i think maybe ucla has some room to play with. they were 9-1 going into conference play. so i think they can (and likely will) finish with a losing record in the pac12, but can still make the tournament, so long as their rpi holds steady and qualifies them. and of course, they've still gotta finish with an overall winning record (or at least a .500 record).


  12. Maverick:

    11. It also helps that UCLA is a traditional powerhouse. I surmise the selection committee cares about this to a certain extent.


  13. Cubicle1126:

    maverick - it's absolutely fun to debate. i supposed when it comes right down to it, there are elements of luck and clever scheduling involved, when putting together a schedule that the rpi will smile down on. i don't think anyone needed to "predict" that san diego, north carolina or colorado st would do well -- those teams traditionally post winning records and finish at or near the top of their respective conferences.

    missouri though is just having one of those magical seasons. they usually finished in the top half of the big12 (when they were still there, if i'm remembering it right). but they put together a schedule (albeit a weak one) that was good for the team they got. they've worked some young players into the lineup, racked up wins that helped them build confidence, and then played florida on their own home court for their first SEC-matchup with them.


  14. Cindy Luis:

    13. agree fun to debate. but still a lot of vb left to play. What the Wahine can only do is keep winning.
    It will be interesting to see how Missouri does going to Florida.


  15. Maverick:

    UH plays Northridge (16-4) and Davis (11-9), which cumulatively are 27-13, or have a .6750 winning percentage. That will help UH's rpi next week. But expect a negative impact during the last week of the regular season, when UH plays Riverside (currently 1-17).


  16. baseball_nerd:

    after reading all the comments regarding the RPI, I think the RPI formula sucks. sorry about that.


  17. Cindy Luis:

    Maverick mentioned some of UH opponents. here's the complete list
    1. Texas
    5. Creighton
    17. Arizona
    20. San Diego
    34. UCLA
    39. Wichita State
    42. Northwestern
    55. CSU Northridge
    63. UC Santa Barbara
    69. South Dakota
    78. UC Irvine
    92. Portland State
    102 Long Beach State
    118. Santa Clara
    120 UTEP
    126 Cal Poly
    142. CSU Fullerton
    143 New Mexico State
    145 UC Davis
    293 UC Riverside


  18. OrbitalRipZ:

    ~~ From the WHO CARES! Department ~~

    Once again, I've used the cutoff number of 32 for "near certain" automatic or at-large bid to the NCAA Volleyball Championship 64-team field.

    However, as has been pointed out, the big question mark is Illinois. Even with a RPI of 25, the Fighting Illini is unlikely to receive a bid should it fail to secure an "above .500" win-loss record. Except this is a year in which Illinois is one of the 4 predetermined regional hosts. Thus, should Illinois finish the season with a losing record but a RPI near its current number -- a possibility that the Volleyball Committee never saw coming -- it will make for a very interesting Selection Sunday.

    Here's the breakdown of the RPI's Top 32:

    Big Ten :
    Last Week: 8 of its 12 conference teams in the Top 32
    This Week: 7 of 12

    Pac-12 :
    Last Week: 6 of 12
    This Week: 7 of 12

    Southeastern/SEC:
    Last Week: 6 of 13
    This Week: 6 of 13

    [I kid you not! Count 'em: Florida (3), Missouri (7), Kentucky (18), Arkansas (23), Georgia (30), and LSU (31). And this doesn't even include the 2 "bubble" SEC teams. And guess which SEC school is one of the predetermined regional hosts. And as Cindy has pointed out before, guess where the headquarters of the AVCA is? I'm not suggesting anything. Lol.]

    Big 12:
    Last Week: 3 of 12
    This Week: 3 of 12

    Atlantic Coast/ACC:
    Last Week: 3 of 15
    This Week: 3 of 15

    West Coast/WCC:
    Last Week: 2 of 10
    This Week 2 of 10

    Big East:
    Last Week: 2 of 9
    This Week: 2 of 9

    Big West:
    Last Week: 1 of 9
    This Week: 1 of 9

    Mountain West:
    Last Week: 1 of 11
    This Week: 1 of 11

    Alas, mid-major conferences like the Big West will have less and less chance of having a deserving runner-up team be selected when the likes of the SEC's sloppy fifths, sixths, and sevenths start to fill in the brackets.


  19. 'ohanaInBellingham:

    Regarding the Senior CLASS award ("The 30 candidates will be narrowed to 10 finalists midway through the regular season, and those 10 names will be placed on the official ballot."), let's hope Emily makes the cut. Last year the finalists were announced on 10/19.


  20. Cindy Luis:

    We'll see if she does. Can tell you that the women nominated are very impressive.
    I had to vote for the 10 and it was very difficult.


  21. Msrpantoja1@Huh.'A'loha:

    Looking into the new 2-team "play-in" in NCAA MsVB might be worthwhile/noteworthy for the reporting. ;-)


  22. LC:

    IMPORTANT UPDATE: From ESPN 1420

    PROGRAMMING NOTE: "Due to the World Series being on ESPN 1420, the Rainbow Wahine volleyball matches today and Saturday will be aired on our sister station, NBC Sports Radio on AM 1500."

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151913996890138&l=4103ff3edf

    This means no live stream.


  23. LC:

    No live audio web stream of Blaine is what i meant to say.


  24. Cubicle1126:

    if folks are interested, there is a fairly interesting discussion on Volleytalk right now, regarding the regional biases of the RPI (generally favoring east and south teams, to a lesser extent favoring midwest teams ... over west and pacific region teams.) the regional biases in the RPI has been well-documented and discussed. the thread on VT does an interesting analysis showing this.

    fwiw, the thread on VT is called: "Creighton Is Going To Mess Up The Draw."

    take the info there for what it's worth.