pretty funny. Uiato's dump shot covered, came back. she took a full swing next time on the second ball. put it down. USD up 5-2. Hartong blocked a couple of times when they stacked it against her on the left.
ace makes it 7-2. TO UH.
Vorster on the overpass. it's 18-14. TO USD
thank you DF. believe that's what he meant.
Hawaii has a tendency to start slow when coming over to this side. There's also a funky air current that comes in. They are more comfortable when they are playing on the diamond head end.
26. Mendoza saw UH when she came for the Ann Kang tournament but never got recruited by Hawaii so she went to Irvine Valley for two years and with the help of Tom Pestolasi, she got a chance to walk-on and then redshirted
29. thanks for answering that VBF. hard to keep up with the thread while I'm trying to pay attention to the match.
yes, courtesy of Pestolesi at IVC. UH likely will get Annie Mitchum in 2014 or 15 out of IVC. depending on when she gets her AA.
Having sooo many at just about the same skill level means that da coach is constantly left second guessing his lineup. A bit of double mindedness/indecisiveness if you will.
Long NEEDS to be sat for the entire season this 2013. She has many years left to play in later years. Her being in the mix only adds to the confusion..nothing personal against her, but she does need to be a key warm-ups/practice reserve ONLY.
Everybody's been distracted by the coach's record, I'd say. Wonder who's responsible for that one?!
Cindy, if the Wahine lose this match, and it cost them like it did losing to California, then what. I still blame Olevao for her decision. If she felt so strongly go to BYU-Hawaii, or BYU-Provo, do not put your teammated in this kind of situation. The team had good chemistry with her playing, take her out, and this is what happens. Wish you would wake up.
some stats through Set 3. Uh hit 233. USD 364. 3 aces, 4 SEs. 50 digs, 15 from Oliveira. 11 blocks, 3 in Set 3
UH 4 aces, 3 SEs. 50 digs, 17 by Longo 3 blocks. 2 in Set2.
Hartong's serving has helped UH take a 9-3 lead. TO USD. Hartong with 22 kills so far.
IF they lose the match ... way too early to start thinking that USD likely will win its conference. We'll see what happens. I still like UH's chances in 5. USD is falling a part, like they did against Texas at points last night. Brown had a 1-on-1 vs. Kastl hit cross court very wide. 11-3.
UH was outplayed, outcoached, outblocked, out-everything...awful loss...USD played inspired volleyball, UH was tentative all night after set 1...oh well, anybody wanna bet that everyone on the mainland will make a bigger deal over this than their win over Texas?
Shoji blew it big time with an incorrect rotation. Not only the team lost two points, but it was set back psychologically, losing focus. So an upset is in the brewing and the blame falls squarely on Shoji's shoulders. Even though the difference in points was more than two, the psychological setback took its toll. I'm reminded of the critical error he made back in 1999 playoffs in the fourth set against Texas-Tech where he put in Margaret Waukasausau, a freshman, and she made five errors in a row setting back UH and could never catch up. As a result, Hawaii couldn't host its own Final Four. I don't blame Tai at all here.
147, I don't know if she could have helped tonight...I don't think she's a very strong blocker (no offense), and that's what UH needed tonight...They could not block that slide to save their lives tonight...I think they just played a team that got better as the tournament went on & that really deserved to win tonight...
146. Would not surprise me if this loss cost them to be home in the 1st and 2nd round. Everyone knows the NCAA Committee holds any loss by the Wahine against them more then other teams. Not only that, but this loss will put them in an extremely tough region.
Definitely no offense to USD but they are not that talented, UH did not serve smart ( kept serving their libero) Their blocking made no adjustments, Uiato stopped going to the middles. Just frustrating all the way around, and it all starts at the top, not one of Shoji's best matches.
Dedicated Fan, we differ on opinions here. You blame Tai Manu Oleva while I blame Shoji. You can't hinge everything on one single player. The fifth set could have been ours if the team started with a lead, had the momentum and the psychological advantage. Shoji gave it away. He's getting older and more disorganized.
147 why cap everything. i mean i don't think she let them down, quit blaming her. they only thing i will say regarding all your shouting, is that i believe she would or could have made a difference big time. a loss is not always bad. it's tough, and it sucks. but I rather have it happen early, rather than later. I frankly could care less what anyone says about what I have to say next...despite Hawaii shooting themselves in the foot time after time, you have to admit the refs for this match sucked. i swear it felt like Dan was purposely questioning everything of Hawaii in the fifth. if they didn't take the point away in the beginning i think it would maybe been a different outcome, idk.
The thing is while I respect Olevao's decision to miss sunday practices/matches cause of her faith, it's ONE match, can't exceptions be made when it is very important for the team?? She is in the arena and the team could have used her out there, it doesn't make sense to me but, whatever it's done.
Someone said In VT that the problem with Hawaii the past decade is its inability to play consistently. Win when your supposed to and Loose when your supposed to. Obviously winning them all will always be the goal as it is for everyone so winning some tough match will always be a plus. but to loose when your suppossed to win im afraid has more weight.
As of late theyve upset top ranked teams but given up ridiculous matches as well which becomes an instant wash.
154. Lori Santi, and that other guy, mentioned, it is the Down Referee's responsibility to make sure the teams are in their right positions, prior to the start of a Set. Hiranaka blew it BIG TIME. He should not be refereeing any more Wahine matches.
Volleyball isn't the most important thing in life; for some, their religion is more important. Didn't Dave already know that Tai wouldn't play on Sundays when he recruited her? Can't hang this loss on Tai.
161, Interesting...we'll see how both teams develop over the next few weeks...the Beach has been extremely inconsistent the past several years...Meanwhile, UH needs to work on blocking the slide & being more patient...I think they just got frustrated & then started to play safe...
The Wahine cannot afford to lose another match, they MUST beat UCLA NOW!!! Cannot leave anything up to the NCAA Committee. Unless, a lot of you people have very short memories. The NCAA Committee has never showed the Wahine any love. Give them any reason, and they will stick it to Dave and the Wahine.
& Tai is ONE player..she could've made a difference but the entire team was in a funk tonight. She likely would have been so also.
Mita didn't have the best match also. Yanking Kastl, because of the types of sets she was being asked to hit on the outside, KILLED the mojo they had going after the 1st set.
Vorster reminds me of Mary Robins and her 'waffle' hits she used to be so famous for back in the day. Why is she even being asked to play middle as she seemingly merely goes through the motions only??
Dave's going to have a tough season. He's going to have to really did down deep himself to keep the girls moving forward.
He had them going through two-a-days and have all hit the proverbial "wall" against USD.
Props to San Diego, however, they've been out to UH several times over the years and have played UH tough before.
..their coach/team reminds me sort of Cal Poly back in the day with Wilton. He could always get the most out of his players despite height/recruits/etc.
All of you so-called fans and naysayers blaming this player or that player or the refs or the coach just make me SICK! esp. that one blog of an idiot blaming Tai...I respect Tai and her family for their values as much as we all should respect her family and their values.. what a stupid remark by one blog saying Tai should have matriculated to BYU-Hawaii...SO STUPID AND A REFLECTION OF ONE'S IGNORANCE.....Hawaii lost just as much as Texas lost ....last year three of Texas lost was in the first six weeks and last year we lost to California but if Hawaii is any good, then they will suck it in and play like they can in the next several months....don't talk about RPI or hosting a regional etc....just support the WAHINES.....not only in good times but in bad times like now and can you imagine how drained the wahines are now in the locker room and esp. for the next several dys. until their next match..QUIT THE BLAMING AND JUST LEND YOUR SUPPORT TO THE WAHINES BY ATTENDING THEIR GAMES AND SHOUTING AND CHEERING THEM ON TO VICTORY....one loss does not make the season.....GO WAHINES...
San Diego is a very good team that will be ranked in the top 25 next week. This loss will hurt Hawaii's RPI, but I don't think it will hurt as much as the loss to Cal last year, as Cal's RPI was pretty bad, and I think San Diego will do well this year and probably have a pretty decent RPI. If Hawaii can win out, I think they will still have a good shot at hosting the first and second rounds in the NCAA tourney.
Dedicated Fan, the one thing I agree with you is that Wahines lost its chance to host the first few rounds of the playoffs. This will come back to haunt them unless they rise to the occasion. Also, you were too quick to expect them to make it to the Final Four and win it all. It was only one match. I know you're bummed at Tai Manu-Oleva, but as hossana (169) said, we really should quit blaming and lend our support to the Wahines. Sorry, I live on a different island, so I can't attend their matches. I was going to make a special trip if they hosted the first two rounds, but now that is moot since the NCAA won't let them even if they rank in the top 16.
I REMEMBER A LOT OF PEOPLE CRYING MURDER, WHEN THE NCAA COMMITTEE SENT THE WAHINE TO WASHINGTON FOR THE 1ST AND 2ND ROUND. OR, WHEN THEY HAD TO PLAY USC HERE, ON THE 1ST DAY OF THE REGIONALS, INSTEAD OF THE REGIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.
171. THEY HAVE TO WIN OUT, THAT MEANS, BEATING UCLA THIS COMING WEEK, IS A MUST. IF THEY LOSE TO UCLA, THE WAHINE CAN FORGET ABOUT HOSTING THE 1ST AND 2ND ROUND. EVEN IF THE WIN OUT AFTER THAT, THEY WILL BE AT THE MERCY OF THE NCAA COMMITTEE, AND FROM PAST HISTORY, THAT IS NEVER A GOOD THING FOR THE WAHINE.
Too much doom and gloom here. The match is over, and I think the team will learn from this loss and move on. The season just started, anything can happen, and it's fruitless to try to predict what will happen in December. Let's support the team instead of trying to place blame.
Just back from the match. San Diego was impressive. The team has five fairly consistent and effective attackers. Very difficult to block them because of this offensive balance and their tremendous quickness. Hawaii unfortunately had only one reliable attacker, Hartong. The others were sometimes effective, sometimes not. Dedicatedfan obviously is an obsessive-compulsive personality. Once he/she gets hold of an idea, it is impossible to dislodge it. Makes this blog difficult to read sometimes. I don't think Hawaii will face a team as good as San Diego until postseason. Lots of time for the Bows to get more experience under their belt, especially Taylor and the middles. Still look forward to a great year of volleyball. Veru entertaining crew. Hartong, herself, is worth the price of admission.
171. Actually, the loss to SD has about the same impact as last year's loss to Cal. It impacts the 25% RPI weighting related to UH's W-L record. The 50% weighting relates to UH's opponents' RPI. Regardless of how UH performed against Cal, Cal's poor W-L record would have still depressed UH's RPI. There seems to be a view that losing to a bad team is worse for UH's RPI than losing to a good team. This is a misconception. Any loss, regardless of whether to a good or bad team, is bad for UH. And a win over a bad team helps with the 25% factor but not with the 50% factor. At the end of the day, the best we can hope for is to have UH win as many matches as possible, and to have UH's opponents win as many matches as possible. So we should cheer Texas, UTEP, SD, UCLA, etc. etc. except when they play UH.
DF just lay off Tai already. We get your frustration,but there is life outside of volleyball. Who are you to judge and critisize ones religion. It's not just one player that defines a team. Hawaii just didn't have it tonight and were outplayed and out coached.
Shut up, already...geez. It's a pre-season match and it was a good match. San Diego played well and for anyone to say otherwise does not know volleyball. They dug everything they didn't block and they played to their strength. They took us out of our game....you guys need to give credit to their players and their coaching staff. Yeah, we made some errors, but that is just what happens sometimes. It sucks we lost.
And stop blaming Tai.....that's so childish.
And finally...I think this got lost in all the comments, but Cindy just confirmed that Annie Mitchum will most like be joining UH either next year or 2015!! That is awesome news in this night of a lost match
I'm leading the charge to ban DF again. He tried to post some positive posts and as soon as Hawaii loses a tough 5 gamer he is back to being Steve/Laura all over again. We don't need to read you blaming people. You...dude/dudette....have some serious growing up to do.
It's not doom and gloom, it's just reality. I want to see them play here in the regionals!!! This loss will hurt
This was a big oppurtunity to notch a top 30 rpi win ( i think USD will be there winning the WCC) . I do not trust UCLA, Arizona, Wichita State and Creighton, or long Beach to have top 30 rpi's at the end of the season with the way they have been looking so far.
181. Trust me, people will cry and whine. It seems to be favorite pasttime every winter. However, its too much of a stretch to assume Olevao would have made a difference. Vorster, Taylor, Adolpho and Kastl all hit below their season averages, albeit we are talking about 2 prior matches. The more important issue is having the four players I mentioned play better, so that the entire team plays better. I also believe poor coaching was a big contributing factor, as others have mentioned. Losing set 2 after having a small lead is not what I would expect from a team that hopes to contend for a national championship. Finally, we don't know where UH's RPI will end up, so I am not about to let a loss this early in the season spell doom and gloom. If UH loses to UCLA, Arizona, Creighton, Wichita St. and/or LBSU, no one is going to remember this loss. We need to let the season play out before assuming worst case scenario.
According to Dave Shoji, he had other players before who were of the Mormon faith but played on Sunday. Olevao is the first that did not. That is because, Olevao is only thinking about herself, the other players were thinking about the Team, not wanting to let the Team down.
Interesting, when there's a victory, there are few comments. But when there is an upset loss, we get over a hundred comments. Just imagine for a moment what would happen if this team lost to Arizona and Arizona won the tournament and Jane Croson won the tournament MVP award. I bet the bloggers would pour out their hate and bile toward Jane Croson, seeing what happened with Tai Manu Oleva tonight. For personal reasons, a loss to Arizona would be far more stinging than tonight's loss. At least we didn't lose to a former Wahine player tonight. Same applies to UCLA if Monica Stauber sets UCLA to a victory. Who will the bloggers blame then? I don't wish to find out in either case. So it's bed time now and I'll say good night to everybody and happy dreams.
187. Sure it's early but that's what everyone said after the Cal lost last season, and that one loss kept them out of hosting. The schedule this year is very similar to last year's.
Since the wahine do not have as many chances to pick up quality wins as The big 10, Big 12 and Pac 12 teams this loss hurts more than the Texas loss to UH hurts them. UH really needed to go undefeated to leave NO DOUBT. Now if I were Shoji I'd make sure to watch USC and UW matches closely all season.
187. Maverick, have you forgotten, the Wahine, last year, lost 2 matches in the pre-conference season. Guess where it got them. A 2nd round match with Washington, in Washington. Everyone was upset, even Shoji, himself. Well, guess what, if the Wahine do not win out, I would not be surprised if they are sent to some PAC-12 area, or even Texas.
They definite will not be playing at home, in the 1st and 2nd round.
Dedicated fan, you become so obsessed about one thing and then hammer and hammer and hammer the point away to satisfy yourself. Last year was Uiato, last night was Cindy either being or not being at the arena and how she wouldn't just leave the arena when in fact, she did not have wi if connection and tonight it is Tai. Someone made mention of you finally being nice and making positive comments - that only lasted as long as the wahines are winning. Sad and now to get your point across, you start typing in caps. For a "dedicated fan", you only watch on Tv and "coach" from the sidelines.
Hard loss for the Wahines. Hawaii wasn't in their best game...most of their "hits", or "spikes" looked sluggish after the first set....seemed tired. Dinks was another one that hurt us, like the beginning of last year. SD defensive had Dave wheeling and couldn't find a way to put the ball down against them. I think Hawaii could have taken this match. 13 blocks to Hawaii 3. Stats looked pretty even except for this one area.
Keep Tai out of this loss. Why don't you ask her how she feels. You want to make this loss weigh heavy on her because of her religion? Why don't you blame Croson too. She was our #2 "go-to" hitter last year, and Dave gave her a lot of chances to make up her faults yet she left the club. Could she have done anything to help in tonight's game if she was still here.
Though this was a hard loss, there are still opponents to analyze and plan for the rest of the season (which comes and ends quickly).
194 and 195. The reason why we didn't host is because our RPI was too low, not even top 16. The reason why the RPI was so low was mostly due to a poor opponent W-L record. It is not clear that a win over Cal would have changed anything. I suggest reviewing the RPI formula before assuming that "one loss" keeps the wahine out of the top 16 and from hosting. The formula takes into account far more variables that either of you are.
Cocobean, I may talk about it, until I hear and read, all of you crying cause the Wahine are not playing at home, in the 1st and 2nd round. Having the NCAA Committee putting them up against a very strong 1st or 2nd round opponent, like last year. That is when I will laugh, and tell all of you, "I TOLD YOU SO".
DF.... before you assume "She is just happy to be able to sit out this match" why don't you ask her? How do you know she didn't want to play? I'm sure it was a difficult decision. Maybe she isn't doing it for "I" maybe she's doing it for "God." & I'll save you the trouble, there is no "God" in team either... but guess what? There is no Dedicatedfan in team as well!
48. CL - Yes, only one regular season game, but NCAA rd 1 & 2 is scheduled for 12/5-12/8. 12/8 is a Sunday. So, do we just cross our fingers and hope we don't have to play on that day? I think if there is even a chance we play on a Sunday once the NCAAs begin Dave needs to give Taylor, Kastl, Long, whoever may play on that Sunday more reps in practice and during games. He cannot give Olevao all the first team reps. I am not faulting her for her decision, but Dave needs to think about the entire team and what's best for them.
I think exceptions should be made. It's just one match, and it's only four years of her life, I think she trusted her team mates could get it done but she was missed out there, Ginger, Nikki and Ashley just did not have good matches.
205. From what I understand the Wahine RPI was #17, last year. Even Shoji could not understand it. The BWC Team RPI's seem to be about the same as last year. So it was extremely important that the Wahine go undefeated through their pre-conference matches. Once the Wahine get into conference play, their RPI will drop, even if they go undefeated in conference play. San Diego does not play the kind of schedule California plays, especially when it comes to Conference play. WCC is NO PAC-12.
DF, THIS IS NOT TAI'S FAULT. Dave always schedules these games on Sundays. He is not going to change it for one person. Obviously, volleyball is not Tai's entire life, therefore she has the right to do what she needs to do. Dave probably knew she would not play on Sundays when he recruited her. She cannot just say she won't play. She has lived in Hawaii her whole life. She knew they played on Sundays. Finally knowing Dave, he probably, as well he should, take the blame for the loss as he will say he did not prepare them as we'll as he thought they did. Enough already. One loss does not make a season.
will be starting a new thread in a bit
DF was banned by me earlier, made amends, allowed back on.
Bu you will notice his rants have been deleted.
So DEF/Steve/Steven/Laura, this is it for now.
Tired of the obsessive comments and the all caps rant.
apologize if it has thrown off the thread but have deleted anything that was out of line.
will probably have to go back and do more later but let me start a new thread
Dedicated Fan (204). Do you know her personally? Just ask her if you don't. Better yet, ask the rest of the team how they feel. You could be right, or you could be wrong. Thing I noticed was that the team was not focused to their full effectiveness to win. And yes, damn the NCAA committee who probably serve like how a politician does.....favoritism to those with most cash gets the support.
207. You are agreeing with me, although you may not have realized it. Just another reminder, if San Diego plays a weaker schedule, and has a high winning percentage, then that favors UH more than the poor w-l record of SD's opponents detracts from UH's RPI. Review the RPI formula. It's not that hard.
This was a team loss. To obsess about one player who did not play is very unproductive. SD played a good match, we are still a better team. This weekend we solved the right side problem and in my opinion we have found a defensive specialist in Sarah. This loss will make the girls work harder. Lets get beyond this game and start obsessing about next week. We have a long season ahead of us and we have the talent and coaching skills to take us far. We beat the number one team in the country, that should count for something.
"According to Dave Shoji, he had other players before who were of the Mormon faith but played on Sunday. Olevao is the first that did not. That is because, Olevao is only thinking about herself, the other players were thinking about the Team, not wanting to let the Team down." - DF
Did you ever think that those other "Mormons" might not follow all of the Mormon ways? Did you ever think that Olevao might have a stronger belief in her Mormon faith than the others? It's her choices and obviously Dave supports her.
Wondering how the team feels about Olevao's decision. Sure they will say they support her, but we will never know how some of them may really feel. It's fine as long as they win, but what happens if they lose the next match they play on Sunday? Luckily it's Riverside so nothing to worry about. NCAA tournament will be a different story though.
SOMEONE thinks he's the only one who knows how often the Wahine has been screwed by the NCAA. Belittling a player's belief will not help in this matter. It's a personal decision. She can always change her mind.
SOMEONE shouldn't mention the common knowlege that there are Mormons in the NFL and probalbly other professional sports. Most fans would prefer Tai plays but still understand where she is coming from.
SOMEONE shouldn't take losses so personal and lash out at a player or call coaches names. The same SOMEONE GOT ALL HIS POSTS DELETED ON ANOTHER BLOG AFTER THE FOOTBALL TEAM LOST.
surferdad, please don't get sucked in by this. The team respects Manu-Olevao's decision.
the NCAA first-second round cannot be split up. it has to be on consecutive days. If Hawaii hosts, it will be Friday and Saturday. Can't remember any time it has been played on a Sunday.
223. CL- I was just looking ahead and going by the posted schedule on Hawaii Athletics. If there is only one more Sunday like you say and the 1st and 2nd rounds will not be on Sunday, then I say No worry beef curry. It's only one match.
Cindy, I guess you do not believe in Team Chemistry. My question is, what sport have you played. Ok, you paddle, here then, if you paddled competitively. You practice and paddle in events, with the same people. Then when it comes to the most important event, on of the paddlers says she cannot compete, and you have to put someone else in her spot, would it not throw off the cohesiveness of the unit, you all have developed, answer that, Cindy? Maybe, now you know where I am coming from.
DF, oh yay, now you can start attacking me again.
I have competed for over 20 years in regatta, did 3 Na Wahine O Ke Kai. 10 years of long distance races.
with 2 marathons among my running history.
4 years of varsity high basketball. Usually 3 sports a quarter very competitive IM at UCLA
so no, I don't know where you're coming from
maybe I just wanted to feel better about my athletic accomplishments. Ii was girl athlete of the year in HS too.
and forgot to mention my four Catholic League championships, 2 each in volleyball and volley tennis (great sport for people who haven't heard of it) in 7th and 8th grade.
226. I was not attacking, just trying to point something out to you. I know you were and maybe still are, an outstanding paddler. What I was trying to point out. There must have been good CHEMISTRY with the other paddlers in your canoe, or whatever you called it. Take on person out of the CHEMISTRY, for personal reasons, what happens to that developed CHEMISTRY? Does it not go a little, to a lot, out of sync? Remember, CHEMISTRY, is the KEY WORD.
It is better many times for Hawaii to be 27-6 than 33-0 at season end .I have noticed some years going undefeated just led to the fans being heart broken not reaching the Final 4. They will be fine assuming they get past a much stronger Long Beach team. My observation on chemistry with Olevao is she seems to be the starter. As long there are not many preseason, regular season, and post season games on Sunday no problem. For Olevao to start this past Friday and Saturday, then make way for Kastl does mentally change team dynamics. Dave in my opinion should get his Sunday only player in earlier on Friday and Saturday matches to make the special exception rule not too obvious. If they are not much Sunday games they we should just ' get over it'. Remember, Chemistry involved not only players but coaching wisely with seeing the whole pictur