Wahine opponents at Wichita tourney

June 19th, 2013
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Thanks for the help in pointing to someone announcing the field. It wasn't host Wichita State

According to Creighton, they are at the Wichita State tournament with Hawaii, South Dakota and host WSU.

discussing this on another thread:

Not sure how much this helps UH's RPI other than being in an away tourney.

MVC has been a strong conference but last year's winner Creighton (29-4) moves to the Big East.

South Dakota was 14-14 last season, WSU 24=10.

According to the release Creighton plays "perennial power" California. Really? Perhaps I'm grumpy but they do gloss over Hawaii being in the WSU field.

41 Responses to “Wahine opponents at Wichita tourney”

  1. LC:

    They had problems coming up with a 4th team is what I heard and in the end the pickins
    got slim.


  2. mauna:

    Perinnial powerful California 15-16 last Fall.


  3. Cubicle1126:

    Cindy -- being "away" won't help Hawaii's RPI. for volleyball, there is no factoring of home/away games in the RPI.

    the benefit that Wichita St and Creighton will have on Hawaii's RPI is that it helps to diversity Hawaii's schedule, and Hawaii's RPI gains some benefit from other eastern and midwest teams that Creighton and Wichita St will play.


  4. AniMatsuri:

    They gloss over Hawaii now but, we'll be hard to ignore when the Wahine win the whole tournament.


  5. Cindy Luis:

    3. true but Shoji mentioned that the committee said something about UH not playing in tournaments outside of Hawaii and that they looked at the regional diversity of opponents. Although that is what UH has tried to do with its tournaments. the problem is the increasing cost of travel to get team here from the east.


  6. Cubicle1126:

    Cindy -- I think playing some quality teams on the road will help, for sure. Wichita St and Creighton will likely give a needed boost to Hawaii's RPI.

    But if we're talking about criteria that the NCAA committee uses ... Besides the RPI, the committee looks at the "nitty gritty" of the schedule. If Hawaii is on the bubble for a seed, then the committee will look at Hawaii's record against top 25 RPI teams. Hawaii will not play top 25 RPI teams in conference (maybe LBSU, if they're healthy and have the schedule for it). Last year, Hawaii lost out to a seed to teams from conferences where they played a lot more of those top 25 RPI teams in their own conferences.

    So Hawaii has to schedule those types of teams in their non-conference. While Wichita St and Creighton represent strong programs among the mid-majors, it's not a guarantee they will be a top 25 RPI team. (They are a strong likelihood though for top 50 RPI.)

    So it remains to be seen whether this roadtrip will help Hawaii overcome the seeding issues. If it helps Hawaii maintain an RPI firmly within in the top 10, then Hawaii will be guaranteed a seed. Anything lower, and the forecast again gets murky.


  7. vballfreak808:

    I just heard a girl call on the radio and say she plays volleyball and she was going to play for UH but she wants to leave the island. That's pretty weird how I heard that.


  8. Purple&Gold:

    lol.

    w/ UH's schedule, they can ONLY afford 1 (and I do mean one) loss to then be at the mercy of the committee.regardless.

    UH won't go undefeated..they simply WON'T in 2013; they are a traveling team this year and forever more if they can make the tourney in the future.

    Pls. with da murky.


  9. LC:

    Some Random Thoughts and Udder Tings

    It's good to see us finally doing a mainland tournament again.

    The Creighton head coach is a AVCA voter and she treated us well most of the year.

    Both Creighton and WSU should be good teams this year.

    I'm not drawing any conclusions about this years team until I see what we look like after this tournament.

    I think we are going to see a much improved Big West this year.

    On Jaja After reading a recent article from the Philippines she explains why she turned down UCLA, She said that had fears of being in a foreign country without having a family member with her.

    I got the impression that a package deal that included signing her 6'2 sister would have made it work for UCLA.

    I certainly understand her fears LA a scary place.


  10. Cubicle1126:

    purple&gold -- what in Hawaii's recent history shows that they are in danger of not even making the tournament? your comments, as usual, are erratic.


  11. Cindy Luis:

    10. UH hasn't made the tourney just once in history. Injury plagued 1992 when the field was at 32.
    9. Agree that the Big West will be improved.
    As for the WSU tourney helping, it does remain to be seen.
    I think SD's RPI won't help. They are in the Summit League with the likes of Kansas City, Fort Wayne and Omaha.
    IPFW had the highest RPI in the league at 56. South Dakota was 161.


  12. Ron:

    Heard Kawika Shoji on the radio this AM. Very impressive young man. He said that he would be interested in coaching at some level once his volleyball career is over. Did not not rule out continuing the Shoji legacy at UH.


  13. Cindy Luis:

    Ron, heard Kawika as well. he is very impressive. Mary and Dave did a great job with him and Erik
    He's only 25 so he has plenty of years left at the national team and pro level. his goal, he said, the the Olympics.
    From what I got from the interview was he wouldn't mind coming back to coach at UH but it might be for the men's team. Think his comment was something about getting the program back to what it used to be. Dave did coach the men's team for a while before Alan Rosehill.


  14. jmy:

    This is off-topic, but I was just reading about how Nebraska will have about 3500 extra volleyball tickets available, but that there has been a demand for almost 6000. I was surprised to read that the Devaney has fewer than 8000 seats. Still, Nebraska just may take over the #1 spot in attendance, as some people have suggested.


  15. Last Call:

    Although I believe they still made a profit last year the bottom line dropped by $80,000.

    Attendance has been on the decline for awhile and we could debate why for weeks.

    Being #1 in the country in attendance has always been a, so what ,who cares topic for me.We have no control over the many variables that affect attendance.


  16. Cindy Luis:

    We'll see if Nebraska takes over the lead.
    Devaney's capacity is 13,500. Not sure where you read it was under 8,000, unless they are somehow using partitions like UCLA did for men's volleyball at one point or not opening the upper level for volleyball.
    Volleyball moves into the newly renovated Devaney this year.
    The Coliseum is 4,000. Huskers play their first tourney there then Devaney after.
    15. agree there are very many variables that affect attendance.
    one thing on Nebraska's side is they can host both football and volleyball on the same day with the arena and stadium within walking distance of each other.


  17. Cubicle1126:

    Cindy -- I believe that Nebraska was initially only going to make about 7,000-8,000 seats available for volleyball in the move to Devaney, and if there's demand, they would open up the arena. (this is what i understood the plans to be early on ... unless things have changed.)


  18. LC:

    From the Journal Star.

    The details are still being finalized, but the Sports Center is expected to have between 6,000 and 7,000 seats for volleyball matches, according to John Ingram, associate athletic director for capital planning and construction. A curtain in the upper sections will allow more seats to become available to meet demand.
    ****************************
    The last I heard was between 7 and 8 thousand from their fans but the max capacity is 13,595 under a basketball configuration so who knows how far they will take it in the future.


  19. wop ur jaws:

    Croson is transferring to AZ starts summer school in July. Will have two years to play with her best freind Haili. Both in door and sand. They will be stacked.


  20. LC:

    Overrated primadonna with a ton of baggage.


  21. meimei:

    ASU = Party School... lets see how long she stays out of trouble...best wishes to her regardless!


  22. Warriorfan:

    Kind of agree with over rated part. As the number 7 recruit she didn't live up to it. kanani as the number 5 recruit was a second team all american as a freshmen and first teamer as a sophomore, Emily at 48? was a second teamer as a sophomore.


  23. 2chainz:

    ASU = Arizona State University
    UA = University of Arizona.

    She's going to UA.


  24. WaWa:

    Let's not bash her because she left. We all know she got gypped from being able to collect All-American/post-season honors because of how the WAC chose NMSU's Hayes as the Freshman of the Year award. That was despite Croson showing her up on pretty much all occasions. So she had some "baggage", some issues that many young people deal with while leaving home...let's just be grateful she took a chance at leaving her family's side and crossed the ocean to come here. Not many blue chip/top-tier recruits even give Hawaii the time of day. Sucks that she's gone, but in the end maybe its best for both sides.


  25. LC:

    and it's those who continue to make excuses for her that I'm sick of listing to and I'm betting that I'm not the only one.


  26. Cindy Luis:

    24. thank you WaWa. she was slighted her freshman year and Shoji was pretty vocal about it.
    25 LC, it isn't an excuse. It is a fact. The process is what prevented her from honors freshman year.
    And agree, no need to bash her. She contributed to the team and she was an exciting player to watch.


  27. Cindy Luis:

    Arizona's roster is posted for 2013 but does not include Croson. Might be because she hasn't been released from UH and will have to sit out a year/red shirt.
    They haven't put up their incoming freshmen either, which includes Penina Snuka, 5-6 setter who played for Kahuku her senior year. She was at Gilbert (Ariz.) High for her first three seasons.


  28. vballfreak808:

    Arizona has had a 2013 roster up for a while except now they recently updated it by taking out their seniors and players that have transferred out. But they might be one of those schools who don't update their rosters until their players are in school. Some schools though put their players who have to redshirt because of the transfer rule on their roster.


  29. sasa:

    24. Agreed Wawa, she was a great player for UH, and I too am bummed that she's transferred out. Looking forward to good things from her, even if with another team. It'll be cool to see her and Snuka on the same team.


  30. LC:

    WaWa your babble is nothing but making excuses for an individual who has led people around by the nose in Hawai`i.

    Humans have a public and private persona and if you only knew the flip side you would be shocked.

    We should all be happy that we got rid of her because disgracing this program was about to happen.


  31. mauna:

    Croson is history, good luck to her.
    The USAV Junior Nationals starts this Friday. Robyn coaches the Imi Ike 18s. Really interested in how Nikki Taylor performs. Several other UH recruits are in, Tayler Higgins, Hannah Rooks, Savannah Kahakai, Kalei Greeley, Kendra Kolesch to name some at the top of my head. May have spelled some names incorrectly.


  32. Cubicle1126:

    i don't know if it's been reported here, but it sounds like Kanani Danielson did quite well in her first pro season in one of the Japan leagues, playing for Toyota Autobody. Though her team didn't make the playoffs (they just missed the cutoff), Kanani nabbed one of the end-of-season awards (Leading Scorer, for the regular season).

    found this thread: http://www.inside-volley.com/wbb/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=5096&pageNo=7

    If you start from the first page of the thread, you can see the results over the course of the season. more often than not, Kanani is listed as the points leader for her team, often collecting 20 (even 30+) points for the match.

    anyone know where she will be playing next season?


  33. WaWa:

    LC, honey...sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not the only one who knows the flip side to this story. However, you may be the only one who is so bitter and butt hurt about it. She's not the first, not the best, and won't be the last to leave prematurely.

    And...so far it does look like you're the only one. Well, of course, until you log in under a different username and agree with yourself. Everyone else seems to be moving on, you should too.


  34. Warriorfan:

    Wawa sorry to burst YOUR bubble but Croson wouldn't have made all american her freshmen season even if the wac named her freshmen of the year over Hays. Her hitting percentage was just always way too low.


  35. Hot:

    I agree. I appreciate what she did for UH, especially as a passing OH, but she was never going to win AA honors. Stats do count and her hitting percentage was way too low.


  36. Cindy Luis:

    34 & 35. agree Croson l wouldn't have been an All-American but the fact that she wasn't the WAC freshman of the year precluded her from advancing in the honors process. Which is what Shoji was upset about. and it's time to move on.


  37. mauna:

    30. and 33. I and some posters here close to the program do know what when on with Croson and why she had a specific 4 weeks suspension. It's outlined in the NCAA rule book and she couldn't complete the tasks outlined by Shoji to show progress in correcting this problem. So she decided to take a second chance and start fresh by transferring to Arizona. Hoping she takes advantage and continues her education, good luck to her.


  38. roofer68:

    Croson not or could be an AA is debatable. If she had no personal problem and was comfortable here as a student/athlete and worked to bring up her hitting pct, she would be in conversation for AA honors. That's a mouthful but she has the winning aura and came up big in the touted matches against Pepperdine 2, USC and Stanford games and was instrumental in many wins in others. Wishful thinking how far UH will have gone in the NCAA with her and Hartong as the go to. With that said, Shoji will figure out the voids with the OHs on the team come August. Aloha and la manuia, time to move on.


  39. mainlandgal:

    Croson didn't have the passion to her sport to be an athlete and she doesn't have the will-power or desire as of yet to face her personal issues. She's got a long way to go before she should stepping back on the court. Looking forward to watching the Wahine play this season without all the drama. GO BOWS!!!


  40. mauna:

    Unless something has changed, Shoji didn't give her an official release so she sits for a year. She has 13 months to fix her problem, mind and attitude to be a student/athlete for Arizona. Being with her bgf Halli Amaro should really be a huge help for her, if not plan B. Good luck to her #2.


  41. LC:

    I was watching a video on another blog of the Canada girl on Vancouver TV with her mom and club coach.

    They didn't mention her coming to Hawai`i but the reporter did. According to her coach no one really knew who she was until they went to a tournament in Vegas and she was impressive enough to get 8-9 offers.

    She just started playing VB 3 years ago,played hockey at her previous high school.